A Response To Critics, Setting The ‘Immigration Issue’ Straight
I really did not want to comment on any more topics until my official announcement. But it seems that Kem wants to answer for me regarding the cleaning lady issue. I would never comment negatively on the plight of the hard working Hispanic cleaning ladies in our town. Most are hard working, honest women, that have become indispensable to the running of our town. Before kem starts accusing me of wanting to round up cleaning ladies, and have them shipped back to oaxaca, he should know one very important thing about me. I believe that everyone has the right to pursue happiness wherever they wish. If a Hispanic person came here illegally that was their decision whether they wanted to take the chance of being arrested at the border. Once they are here we have the responsibility to treat them as fellow human beings. The illegal activity that they did in order to get here does not make their existence illegal. If they can work in our society legally they should have a right to be here as much as a person fortunate enough to be born here.
What we need is an avenue to help those that want to join our community to do so.
We have programs to supposedly teach Hispanics English, we fund invisible buses to help them get to work. Yet there is no organized effort on the part of our town to promote their responsibility to become citizens of the place they live in.
Perhaps we fear what would happen if they had a right to vote. Perhaps we do not want them advancing beyond cleaning lady, laborer status.
This indifference to their existence causes the criminal element to flourish amongst the hard working, family oriented Hispanic population. That is what causes people in our town to complain, and wrongly accuse all Hispanics for all the ills of our town. That is why people do not understand a threat to drug dealers using our town for their operations, being enabled by our own landlords, as being separate from the plight of the common undocumented resident in our town.
So kem before you start pulling out your ICE, golus, daas torah, or any other inane propaganda diatribes from your pocket, know one thing.
I have had cleaning help, and nurses in my home that were Hispanic, Polish and , Jamaican. I have had roofers, electricians, framers, painters, and movers work in my home. I get served by them at Bagel Nosh, Circa, and Glatt Bite.
Since you seem to be so obsessed with me Kem, you can call any one of them and ask how they are treated by me. I think you will be surprised to find out that I treat all of them with respect, and deference. I don’t expect them to clean up after me when I eat. I don’t bark orders at them as if I am better than them. I don’t expect them to run and jump to my every command.
When I hear a woman ask my wife if she knows of a cleaning lady, and proceeds to complain that she needs one that will scrub the floor on her hands and knees, I am sickened to my stomach. I would not blame any cleaning lady for stealing everything she can get away with from someone that would demean her like that.
I will not respond further to you since I, and those that deal with me daily, know what type of person I am. Your character assassinations will do nothing to change that.
And for those that do not know me yet, I hope my future accomplishments will reflect upon my character.
Kem, unless you wish to call me personally, or enter into a public debate (although I don’t even know what you stand for), I can no longer take anything you say seriously. I will just ignore you from now on.
Hershel.
There are 60 Comments to "A Response To Critics, Setting The ‘Immigration Issue’ Straight"
HErshEl sorry that I answer for you The question was what would Hershel say I just stated my opinion. Sorry for the missunderstanding
You seem to be afraid of accountability!!what’s the difference if its KIM or straight arrow or some other blogger?they may all have points and may reflect the opinion of others?
Dear HershEl, Before I say goodbye forever
I want to make a couple of things clear.
1: I do think you are an honest and straight person.
2: All my criticizing was not in anyway directed against you as a person I DO NOT KNOW YOU!! I was criticizing the public actions and policy YOU presented to us.
3: I too feel that my work is done. I have stated my concerns. There would be no use in constantly bickering, My hope is that maybe there are some issues that I bought up you will think about them and maybe…
4: I never meant any personal harm to you, PLEASE be moichel if you felt any.
5: You never know Bye now
Hatzloch
Why does scrubbing a floor make it right to steal??? If she doesn’t like scrubbing a floor just leave that house, why justify stealing, if i don’t like the price on a item at your store would that justify stealing it???
Hershel u LOST my vote!
Hershel,
You really make me happy, knowing that there are some people in our town that respect others regardless of their social status. I myself try to treat everyone I meet with respect.
We sometimes forget, that not so long ago, our grandfathers came to this wonderful country looking for opportunity. They did not appreciate getting treated poorly. Yet, we forget really quickly. My Hispanic gardener works 3 jobs and works 15 hours a day, without exaggeration. I really do not know his legal status. However, I really admire him and treat him with respect. He didn’t come to this country to sit around and get sympathy. He came to work. And I think that the majority of the immigrants have the same work ethic.
Perhaps, if we gave them legal status, we could collect taxes from them. So perhaps Hershel is right. Just perhaps, it would be in the best interest of our community to help our Hispanic brethren gain legal status, and then they could contribute to the town budget. They already send their children to our public schools and get health care. I think overall, everyone will gain.
And while we are on the subject of tolerance, perhaps our community could start having some tolerance for people who are not the stereotype lakewood person. It will only help Mashiach come quicker.
God Bless
My wife cleans the floors on her hands & knees, as do I on occassion (I should really do this for her more frequently). What’s the big deal?
to number 5 “our grandfathers” came to this country leagally, unlike some of the hispanics who came illeagally.
“i would not blame any cleaning lady for stealing everything she can get away with from someone that would demean her like that”
hershel sometimes it’s better to keep your mouth shut
Tls The more you give HH a forum the more we will learn about him and his ideas.
Hershel is 100% right about the illegal residents in this country. If we let them in, and we let them stay(we absolutely do) , then we need to give them some kind of a status.
They need a working permit so that they can work legally and pay taxes. They need a drivers license, for there safety and our safety. Once they have a license they can buy a car legally with insurance, and DMV inspection for there safety and our safety.
Bottom line is the government makes them illegal and treats them like illegals so naturally they act like illegals. However if they would be treated with respect and we give them the tools to live normal lifes then they will act respectfully.
Dearest kim,
Thank you for bringing up all your concerns. You were a wonderful sparring practice for any future debates.
I did not want to dismiss any of your concerns outright. I just wanted you to understand that we are looking for solutions. You need to know all the variables on an issue before invalidating any ideas.
Many of your criticisms were based on a lack of knowledge regarding the legal use of UEZ funds, or what the benefits of having a downtown shopping district brings to a town. Your further attacks regarding my lack of asking daas torah were quite insulting. I have been in contact with many mashgichim and roshei yeshivas. They know what my intentions are, and while they have concern for my safety, are supportive of what I am doing. I have stated very clearly that I am not anti anybody or any organization. I, along with my supporters, just want to see an end to the status quo that has been slowly destroying this great town for years now.
As far as what I said regarding scrubbing floors on hands and knees, and theft. I did not say I condone theft for mistreatment. I was saying I fully understand it. If Germany sends my mother an extra reparations check in error, would you expect her to return it? There are times that theft or other crimes can be understood. I am not saying it is legal to steal(obviouslyconsidering my whole platform). But when a person is abused or mistreated it gives them validation to feel that what they are stealing is rightfully theirs.
Fortunately, the same cannot be said regarding an overpriced LEGO set. Although I have found many empty boxes in my store, and the contents were missing, which leads me to believe that some. people feel otherwise. I hope this explanation gets your vote back.
to #7
for the record many of “our grandfathers” DID come in illegally. in fact, post WWII, my grandfather was arrested and jailed in Ellis Island when he arrived until a relative got him out, and my grandmother sneaked in from Canada through some Indian reservation. i’m sure there were many others desperate to escape Europe that also entered illegally.
Sheesh.
Guys can u please take a chill.
I’m not so sure HH was serious in regard to his comment about cleaning on hands and knees and stealing. And if you think that he was serious then why can’t some people realize that HH as an outspoken non anonymous public figure can make a faux pas once in a while. RBSO
Therefore, Please cut him some slack.
Everyone can make a mistake once in a while.
Even Kim and KMIT can make a boo boo once in a while
Dontcha think
It is human.
Gut Vuch.
Take all ileagals and send them back to mexico!!!! They just ruin the town and they get medicaid before some hrad worken people before who can’t afford regular health ins! I DO NOT RESPECT any ileagal mexicans!!!!!!
who’s kem?
HH
while I respect and admire your courage and tenacity in your attempt to repair some of Lakewoods ills, I nevertheless must disagree with your post at 12:05.
IMHO Moral equivalency is a slippery slope that one should not attempt without full body armour because of it’s dangerous outcome.
Case in point: can you really equate cleaning on hands and knees with someone that survived Aushwitz. And is getting reparations.
I know you are not equating them but it sounds bad. Very bad.
Therefore if I was your campaign manager I would say: Hershel mein tiere get some rest. And put this terrible tzushtel to bed.
No matter what you say it won’t look good. Stop while you are ahead.
PS no more posts on motsei shabbos. The exit of your neshama yeseira is having some bad affects (Or is that effects)on you.
Kol tov. And gutte Voch.
Hershil
you shood stop saying ok to stealing. pls clarify that you only meant whats the chiddush if a person steals if you treat them with no respect. I HOPE thats what you meant. here its not so pushit that people get ur meaning. Anyhow, its good entertainment. Its not strand-worthy but not bad.
I think he will be going by his enblish name Harold from now on. His legal name for the ballot would have to be Harold. So you ready?
Harold for mayor!!!!!
I guess harold doesn’t like coming here anymore? I see him here all the time.
To I’m #13 and salty taste?
C’mon you know I was not comparing making your cleaning lady clean on her hands and knees to being in auschwitz. I was simply giving an example that most people could understand not being as honest as one usually would be.
Though the scenario never even comes into play. The Germans very rarely make mistakes like that. Oh no, I bet I just lost the German vote in Lakewood.
HH you were my hero and now you lost my vote! You can try to backtrack all that you want, but you are being ridiculous.
1. Many people clean and scrub on their hands and knees. You said that a lady looking for that service sickens you. Really? Is this lady looking to tie up a cleaning lady and force her to do this??? She is looking for a lady who is WILLING to perform that service. She will compensate this lady for cleaning her house. She will also ask her to clean toilets, take out garbage etc. If this cleaning lady does not wish to do any of these activities, let her leave and find another job. There are plenty of these jobs available in Lakewood as you will find out when you start looking for domestic help.
2. You said you would condone theft in this situation. Stop trying to change what YOU said!
3. The straw that broke the camels back for me is bringing Aushwitz into this. You are trying to backtrack on this as well, as many politicians have over the years. Fact is you made a fatal mistake by comparing the nazis to a lakewood housewive asking a cleaning lady to willingly scrub her floors.
YOU LOST MY VOTE!!
Finally, a politician that makes some sense regarding such an important issue in our town, and he does it with a little humor too. You got my vote. I will make sure the whole Country Place comes with me to vote.
Best of luck in your campaign.
Hershel, may compare (in a very mild way) disgruntled
cleaning help to other victims of mistreatment. However,
I never heard him refer to the muster zone as the einzammelt platz.
I write a legitimite, fair, respectful comment and it does not get on. I gues HH owns the scoop.
See Hershel Run.
Every way you look at it you win.
Dear TLS editor,
Please do not spare me any of your reader’s astute criticisms. I am fully capable of defending myself against people that have reading comprehension problems.
I never ever said I condone theft of any kind, in any case. I simply meant that I can understand why a person would feel validated in stealing in a case where they are made to feel una ppreciated or abused. As to cleaning on your hands and knees. I was refering to women that I heard say the cleaning help refuses to go on their hands and knees. They tell them if they don’t do it , they will fire them. That in my view is coersion and abuse. There is a reason mops with handles were created. If you have a mesorah from your mother that the best way to clean the floor is to get on your knees, by all means do it. But don’t force another person by threatening to fire them. As far as the holocaust referencesare concerned, I use them all the time. I am a child of survivors, it is just the way I talk. I am all too aware that on any given day all the good that our lord has bestowed upon us can end, and our entire world can be turned upside down. That is why we must treat everyone with the utmost respect.
How many yidden were helped simply because they treated others nicely before the war?
I guess I will have to count on the votes of those that have better reading comprehension than you.
And I also see I need to choose my words much more carefully to avoid future misunderstandings.
But I doubt I will.
I once overheard Hershel talking about cleaning floors before Pesach.
He called it “backbreaking work”. How dare he say that. Why should he break someone’s back and permanently paralyze them just so he can have a clean floor. I also know he complained about Pesach products.
He said it cost him an arm and a leg. He is nuts! Better to fast on Pesach than to amputate your limbs.
hershel why don’t u understand that if i feel a toy in ur store should be priced as walmart, i lustey to steal it, why force me to go to walmart thats simply abuse!
Hershel likes to have everything his way. He says whatever he wants and then attacks people who actually read what HE writes. Hershel we are not all idiots.
Yes I am.
For one second I thought your comment was from an independent reader. I quickly realized that you are one of Hershel’s
regular stalkers who only seek to criticize anything Hershel says. Your writing style is identical to numerous other negative comments.
Hey, at least you get paid to do it.
Who said anything about high schools?
to #30 it seems to me that you spend way too much time reading these comments to know if some of the comments are identical to other comments which criticize hershel. get a life
Would you rather he act like all politicians and say he made a misstake? He said how he feels. He is a baal rachamim.
Yes he cares about people, all people.
And you want to condemn him for that? Pick your battles. This one you lost.
You gonna blame him because he says he wants to be nicer to people?
He is not giving mussar he’s just saying how he feels.he knows what he’s talking about too. I stole once from a boss I worked for. He ripped me off every week on my salary. He subtracted every extra minute I went over my lunch break. He constantly found things for me to do when I finished my work. Would make me stay late to clean up, and say that its part of the job and I don’t get paid hourly for that. I worked hard and he treated me like garbage. So before I quit I stole yabout 400 dollars from the register. I felt he owed it to me. He took much more from me.
There you go again. Have you ever lost an argument or just let someone get the last word? Leave Hershel alone. Until after Pesach.
genaiva is genaiva
It is not easy rejecting as many as one out of three applicants. I personally know of a recent(closed door) meeting that took place about this. There was tremendous concern and sensitivity to the feelings of ALL the applicants as well as to their families.
Bottom line is that a rejection hurts. Period. With a shidduch, with a job, with a bank, and with a school. I have so much respect for the people who start schools and besides all their fundraising
responsibilities, have to say no to some applicants. They can’t avoid making enemies and they get raked over the coals by some on line comments.
Try to cut them a little slack.
this is ot about hershel this is about you spending way too much time on these blogs that you can know that two anonymous comments are the same criticim. you really have t get a life!
it sounds like your a crook, and your not proving anyones point.
as it was said to hershel in a previous comment, sometimes its better to keep your mouth shut!
Thank you for proving my point.
have you ever been rejected? it is embarrasing that they are even rejecting one out of three applicants, so cut the garbage about cutting the schools some slack, if every school is rejecting one out of three applicants, it still leaves kids out of school. so its not really about feelings its about where are these kids going to go?
Let’s look at the numbers. I bet a girl would not get accepted to a school if she was on line so long—–unless the school understands that
defending schools is different. Berimiza.
TLS has rejected more than one out of three of my comments. And they had plenty of room. It hurts.
Some of these comments are identical to other comments. Let’s look at the numbers. We need to open more girls high schools.
I returned the money. I was just pointing out that I was only feeling to steal because I was mistreated by my boss. When you treat people like animals, even your children they might steal from you. And many will not return it. I did.
Official announcement?about what?is he opening a girls school or running for mayor? Or both?
Hershel doesn’t sell out—–even when asked in a not so casual way—
“which school do your kids go to”. Good for Hershel.
President Hershel and his First Lady save the world.
Laugh if you want, but one day you will say that you saw it first on
The Lakewood Scoop.
# 33 is like hershel. First he steals then he returns. First he says something then he did not mean it that way. I wonder if 33 is Hershel??
Dyslexic?
Let’s look at the numbers. Hershel defends first class, second class, and a third class.
JIMMY 4 MAYOR
bob 4 MAYOR
Jimbob for mayor!
Of turning to the second page.
“Sitting on a sofa” had the right idea. Hershel is like a bridge over troubled water, as being in my little town has begun to feel like a day at the zoo. The sound of silence would be completely appropriate in this case. Stay strong as flowers never bend in the rainfall. This dangling conversation has become tiresome, and I am now homeward bound.
Stop blogging & make sure they serve the right herring. Don’t you have better things to do this week?
We’re still crazy after all these years.
My wife puts parsley chrein, raspberry(beret),and lime into our shabbos
chicken soup. Those old tape recorders.
Something tells me it’s all happening at the uez
I do believe it I do believe it……
just wait till your papa says OY and see what he does to all these people. well back to my Corona….or was it dos equis
does anyone know what we are talking about?