FIRST REPORT: TLS has just learned that Yeshivah Keter Torah will not be opening this school year due to the financial crisis, sources tell TLS. The Yeshivah, under the leadership of Rabbi Dabbah Shlita, has notified their Rabbeim late last night, that the school – with approximately 150 students – will not be reopening this school year.
Yesterday, Rabbeim who were not paid in several months, went to the Mashgiach Reb Matisyahu Solomon Shlita who advised the school not to reopen, unless a financial plan was in place.
A similar reccomendation was made by the Mashgiach to Bais Hatorah, as first reported on TLS.
Sources close to the school tell TLS that one of the options being discussed at this time, is to move the school to Deal, joining the existing Keter there.
The other option explored, is finding a new donor to carry school.
Last August, the Yeshiva’s plans to move it’s 4th through 8th grades over from Lakewood to Deal upon the request of Deal community leaders-including Rabbi Diomond Shlita – was stopped, after parents complained about the commute, as reported on TLS.
This is the third elementary school to close in under 7 months, due to financial difficulties.
Yeshivah Keter Torah was to begin the new school year today.
The Menahel of the school is Rabbi Tzvi Zev Shawartz Shlita.
Developing story. TLS-CCP
“…is to move the school to Deal…”
And how are the children going to get to school there? Ohhh, I forgot, courtesy busing. Add more to our tax bill.
It’s sad that a school is giving families such short notice before the school year. Does the town really pay for courtesy busing out of town? That’s ridiculous.
I don’t think the town would pay for bussing to Deal. I remember way back when I was in school in Lakewood, that the Deal kids came with their own private bus service.
There is no bussing out of town. Each child will receive 800.00 a year and the parents will drive themselves.
I think all the schools should enroll their children in the PS. What would happen is that the PS would have no room, and be forced to contract out for third party vendors. At that point the recently emptied private schools can become the third party vendor and receive generous compensation much like TT does. This would help fund the english dept costs, and tuition can be brought down to pay for the hebrew studies alone. This would help everyone, as the State would have to give more state aid since there are more children enrolled. In worst case, this should be done with the girl schools if not with the boys.
This is SAD to say the least. What I cannot understand however is why on earth this wasn’t discussed a few months ago. Yeshiva closed a number of weeks ago for the summer. The rebbeim weren’t paid in months so why was the Mashgiach not approached weeks or months ago??
Maybe the askers should have asked him a month (or two, or three) ago.
they new the money problems for many months.
I believe that courtesy bussing has an maximum limit of about 20 miles.
It is time to flood the public schools with our children. We cannot afford the high cost of tuition. Let the seniors (who hate our bussing) pay for our schooling.
Bussing is $800 per kid
Now let them pay $13,000 per kid for school.
it’s not a good matzav out there..does anyone know what’s going on with bais hatorah?
This is a new psak the Mashgiach has come out with for Bais Hatorah, Keter decided they have been drownig for so long and desperatly needed help, so they went to the Mashgiach and asked for advice . I think you may see more of these closings because most schools are in the RED. How can u run a mosad when rabeeiim aren’t paid in six months? How much can we expect from our Rebbes . Its time for a complete overhaul . The people are crying UNCLE we can’t go on like this any longer . we need our BOE money to go to us, or u may just have a situation with thousands enrolling in Pubic School
That 3.
its a shame. but it is ALL OUR FAULT.
How do you expect schools to stay open if there is NO MONEY.
I understand the need to sit and learn, but it comes a time when parents don’t have the money to support there children and the the childrfen aren’t making any money on there own. Who is going to pay.
Next, The prices that we pay for KOSHER food is ridiculaous. We are ripping our selves off.
Explain why not cholov yisroel ice cream can be $2.49 for 64 oz but cholov yisroel ice cream is $6.79 for 56oz. CY ceam cheese is is $3.29 for 8oz shoprite ou cream cheese $2.89 for 16oz. bread is $2.99 for sterns rye bread. loafs of bread in shoprite are $0.99 to $1.99. don’t get me started with meat ( i notice some items to be 500 & 600 % higher than non kosher).
I could go on and on. I understand that Kosher food needs to be more money BUT NOT THIS MUCH MORE. 2- 3 as much as 600% more , we are our own worst enemy.
Put this all together and this is what is going to happen.
If we don’t break this cycle the next generation (our children) will not have any money at all and its just going to get worse.
Think about it. How much is the average houshold income in NJ? 53K , that maybe net & from both jobs.
Now take people with no quqlifications, how much do they average in NJ?
Now look at an average size family,of 8 six kids & 2 parents. That allows 6k per person. Take out health insurance & mortgage, you are left with 3-4K pay a babysitter, food clothing utilities car insurance etc.Is there anything left for tuition?
So there were some gevirim who chipped in, some are no longer gevirim, otghers need to protect their reserve. Most were never really rich, the credit line stopped or worse happened.
Ultimatly this is the tip of the iceberg.
It is time to provide shiurim on hilchos tzedokoh.
Everyone should know their priorities.
One shachris I counted 16 meshulachim, in a town schools cannot reopen, I must admit the last few left with sad faces, my heart bled for them too. How about the Vaad hatzedokah decreeing a freeze on out of town charities until we get our schools open again.
How come Chush with no Lakewood connection makes a massive appeal here yearly when our own are closing? I have nothing against Chush, but they are much lower down on the list in Hilchos Tzedokah.
Bussing is only paid within a certain mile range. Depending on where the school would be, it might be covered by the township.
maybe pinny lipshitz can help lakewood orgenize a massive rally to help save OUR mosdos. . He has proven to be a VERY affective fund raiser, even from lakewood. I think he may be our only hope
If the school does move, it would be unfortunate for the Sephardic community not to have a school in Lakewood.
There is no courtesy bussing outside of Lakewood. As with most things, the Orthodox Community pays for it out of pocket and doesn’t rely on the government.
Looks like every school in town is on track to be closed down soon at this rate
Our system is falling apart. If the government cab barely run schools, what makes us think we can. Especailly in hard economic times like this. Almost makes me think, public school……….may be the only option in the future. Maybe they will hire our rabonim for us. At least they would get paid.
#8 maybe if you did “flood the public schools” with your children, it would cause people in this town to care more about the quality of education children in the public schools receive. Go ahead
How about not bussing the children to a nearby town? Maybe it is time to branch out and move families too with the children. What about developing nearby communities and starting schools there? It seems that the education economy might be on the verge of collapse. Does anyone think that the Cheder is doing better? What will happen when 4000 children are out of school? When will we wake up and make some serious changes?
sorry I meant #9
A few months ago there was a huge fundraiser for BMG where a man named Mr Roberts gave a stark prediction of what’s coming economically to Lakewood.
We didn’t like it at the time. We felt it wasn’t the time or place for him to say this.
But who can argue with the content of what he actually said?
An economic tsunami is right!
I’m sorry!
overheard from an Adam choshuv these school closings are due to the lack of bitachon
HELP – HOW CAN WE JUST SIT THERE AND DO NOTHING ABOUT THIS
THIS IS CHURBAN KLALL YISROEL
IT’S TIME TO ALL GET TOGETHER AND MAKE SURE THE YESHIVAS CONTINUE
IF THERE MONEY FOR SHUVU NECHMAS YISROEL ETC, THERE HAS TO BE MONEY FOR OUR OWN MOSDOS
WE WILL ALL PAY IN THE END C”V FOR THIS TERRIBLE THING GOING ON HERE, AND HELPING OUT
HOW COME THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS ARE NOT CLOSING
OUR TAXES ARE FUNDING THEM!
WE HAVE TO FUND OUR SCHOOLS, NO EXCUSES
Question to all,
You have a daughter waiting to get married, and of course you have to promise support.
Do you say yes for support and then you will have to cut down on tuition or some other choice.
This system of ours unique to us just can not go on this way. It’s falling apart and ruining our financial well being.
#23 agent emes…
maybe that’s why there is a tsunami since we dont have faith and worry about a coming tsunami we get to actualy feel it.
we have to havve bitachon and not think that we control the world and to remember that our wealth an health comes from above.
What would it help to flood the public schools? The tax levy would than soar and our property taxes would than go through the roof. It costs mosdos on average 6000 per child yet it costs the Public Schools 30000. Lets stop saying we will flood the public school system and be more responsible.
I Propose we merge administrators for multiple schools. For example, The lakewood Cheder together with Bais Faiga, which have a combined enrollment of 2500 Children, have ONE administrator. Why then, Does every school with 200 or 400 children need their own administrator. This is just one example, There are so many cost cutting measures that could be along these lines. LETS BE RESPONSIBLE
Is homeschooling not an option for your community? It is perfectly legal in the US, and NJ has one of the easiest sets of homeschooling laws in the country. I imagine there are so many teachers already in your community, it would be easy for them to band together to form a support group to teach parents how to teach their children at home, besides their own. As a homeschooler myself, I know how easy this can be accomplished. And homeschooling is a fraction of the cost of private school. Been there, done that.
people dont trust in chazal plain and simple. the gmara says that tuition is NOT included in the yearly allowance given to you by hashem. therefore if you give more you get more back, and if you give less, less. its no cost to you,just like whatever you spend on kavod shabbos.but thats a tricky subject whats considered for shabbos when you might eat the same food item during the week. but as far as tuition goes its very simple. i will remain anonymous but b”h i paid whatever tution was asked of me and had no problem keeping up. try it you might like it !!!!!!
to #8 you shhould think before you write or speak.we are tired of paying for all of this.
excuse me #8 ,my comment was meant for #9
I think the big new idea – to send all our kids to public schools, is a great one. It will show the township that they were better off spending $800 for busing than $13,000 dollars for a full ride.
#9- please, we have been hearing your empty flood the public school threats for years… do it already, you complain about your property taxes now just wait until you “flood” the public school, your taxes will really soar! I love your sense of entitlement. Private school is your CHOICE- you can’t expect someone else to pay for your CHOICES. It is your responsibility. So stop whining about the choices you make.
#36- whether or not the threat will be carried out, doesn’t alleviate the possibility and the ramifications if carried out.
Our choice indeed, but since we pay for a service not used, at least work out a deal for everyone.
please do not delete this ,as the news reporters are already aware.
I am a frum person in town and my two young children are enrolled in public school after being rejected by every school in town for various reasons. They love the school and are getting a great education. They have private hebrew tutors every afternoon, and I am saving over $5,000 a year
#37- so you think people who don’t use the public schools shouldn’t have to pay for them? That will work really well considering the fact that senior citizens don’t use them either. Let’s bankrupt the whole town while you’re at it!!
Christine, I agree with you. Problem is that the people in our kehilla are not at all aware of this option and think it’s wierd. They don’t realize that people the world over home school their children.
In order that people shouldn’t call me a goy or someone who isn’t macsifm torah I would like to state these facts. At the present time I’m BH supporting a son with a family of 5 children who is learning full time in EY ( and yes I’m paying full tuition) Im doing this now for the 11th year and me g-d give mr strength to do till mosiach comes when my son thanks me I tell him i have to thank him because he gives me more, my greatest accomplishment. In life is the Talmud chocem and Ben Torah I helped him become I also have a son in law living in Lakewood who now works ( I did not tell him to close the gemora) but sat and learned for five years and I gladly helped support I have the greatest love and respect not only for a Talmud chocem but lomeda Torah as well, I have sedorim everyday and feel that a day without Torah is an empty day, i support mosdes beyond my means because I know the world stands on torah I’m macsif Torah as much if not more then any one in Lakewood so when you read my comments don’t dismiss me as a Harry that doesn’t know what Torah is because you would be wrong besides I know that in your heart of hearts in the still of the night a lot of people will agree with me.
Rabosi our system doesn’t work it’s broken it is time to do something not everyone can stay in learning all their lives yes it’s important
For everyone to start in kollel for the first few years of marriage to help establish a toradic house but then it’s time for some of our sons and son in laws to go to work (there I said the dirty word) yes we are g-ds army but an army needs all kinds of soldiers from generals to ditch diggers in order to sustain Torah we have to have people working to support it, today it’s a shame to work I respectfully disagree it’s a bigger shame not to pay teachers for month on end , to have mosdes torah close, not to be Abel to feed your children properly I know everyone has to be a Ben Torah well you can work and still be a Ben torah, if you work to support your self and family and you learn the rest of the time you are a Ben Torah conversely if you learn 8 to 10 hours a day and waste the rest of the time surprise you are not a Ben Torah As our community grows the situation will get worth how many more yeshivas or mosdes will have to close before we take our heads out of the sand I know le hakesef vle hzohof but we havevto do our histadles I not saying work for a car, nice cloth,Vacations just work enough to support your family and your mosde so they can stay open and pay the teachers then you learn the rest of the day and you are a Ben Torah we also need people who do nothing else but sit and learn day and night in fact we need these more then workers but we need workers too. Who stays who goes? If it wouldn’t be such a shame to join the work force and be a supporter of Torah. And every yunger Mann was honest with him self there would be no question it’s time to wake up and smell the coffee
The first comment wasn’t compleat pls print second one tx u
Flood the public schools, they will need to hire more teachers. If our current Rabbeim and Moros would get certified, they can be hired by the public schools and get state paid salaries and pensions better than ANY school can offer and you will also mitigate alot of outside influences that way. There is also the chance the “other elements” that are currently in the public school system will go running the other direction due to these “new elements” and the negative influences should not be a huge issue as well as the chance they may make separate classes
ayn kemach ain torah
#39 אתה משוגע
You are not the only ones to face the school money issue there used to be Catholic Schools in Lakewood but they closed due to low enrollment and not enough money to run. the parents of the Catholic school children paid their taxes and their tuition as well. If you want to use the public schools remember boys and girls ride the same buses and sit in the same classrooms and eat the same food as every one else and leave your Torahs at the door, public schools don’t teach religion.
Why didn’t u print my comment because it’s the truth Shane on u
to #31 Home schooling is really a great idea but now adays where both parents are either working or where the father is in Kollel (advanced Talmudic studies) and the mother working its vertially impossable to be able to home school esp with large families and kids on differnt levels. Reading all these comments our community has a very large challange we are facing and the only way we can overcome the challange is by being united and creating a board ,just like the BOE has, and with plenty of seyata deshmaya we can come up with ideas to rectify this situation.
#41 Chicago- they can’t give them separate classes. That’s illegal. Check your history books, under segregation.
I can”t believe everyone who is getting so sidetracked with worrying if the BOE will pay for bussing and losing focus on the fact that 130 boys and 30 rebeiim and staff members have no school
Nothing wrong with finally having a real checks and balances system of one year required kollel after that bechinas, time clocks for attendance, goals,evaluations and life coaching for future positions.
I am sure many of us would support the Yechidim to learn longer term and become leaders vs the masses with lack of any direction.
I would love to learn all day and be supported by my sons in law. But I take my family and parenting responsibilities serious. I don’t want my wife to work like a horse, look and feel like a shmatta and consider that a well balanced home.
I really feel sorry for all of you, however you want to see it Hishtadlus is not only in kollel it is in parnasa too!
we have to line up our 50000 + children in front of the public school & demand enrollment!
trust me the vouchers will be here within an hour!
mr solution
now you have taken a real problem and turned it into a real joke!
They will accept your students into the schools, and you won’t get vouchers.
You don’t have to “demand” enrollment, it’s yours by right. But you aren’t going to get vouchers, much less “vouchers within an hour”.
I see some comments here that are truely the source of the problem with tolerance in lakewood. Why is it always someone elses fault that when things are tough for all the finger of blame is always pointed at someone else . These are tough times for eveyone !!! when financial problems befall either a family , business or in this case a private school There should be some soul searching to see why
Hint its not the public school system thats the problem . Private schools are a business and need to be run as such like any other business when there is a poor or no business plan things fall apart
Its always easier to blame the “other guy” than take the bull by the horns and come up with a solution to correct the problem .
If anyone thinks that a real fix is to flood the public school I say go ahead you have every right as a taxpayer to send your children to public school, in fact I find it odd that you make this a threat! However you know thats not the answer as was pointed out in another post you can no longer expect some of the benifits of being private in a public setting . Discrimination gender wise is not allowed both boys & girls ride the same buses,attend the same calsses , religious teachings not allowed . So will those who profess this is the way to “fix” the problem please undersatnd what the implications of your words would have if you carried through . I really doubt that most of the orthodox community would find those standards accepable .Please understand I’m not against anyones religious beliefs ,however you need to understand they differ from the secular system.
#37 yes you pay your taxes and a portion of that goes to public school education- no one is arguing that and courtesy busing, tuition to Tiny Tots and tuition to SCHI is what you get. That’s the compromise. Sending your children to private school is your choice, you foot the bill- That’s how it works. I am a Lakewood resident and send my children to private school
(I drive them there everyday) I do not get reimbursed for their $10,000 tuition nor do I get money for the busing that I do not use. The bottom line is it is my choice as a parent and my responsibility- I chose to have my children and I provide for them. Look at the breakdown of where you tax money goes the majority of it is not for schools.
I understand its a fundraising tactict, the school should know that Chazal say “Im ain kemach ain Torah” The “yeshiva oilam” has a lot of p’shutim to farenfur what Chazal meant…..But here we see “pshutu kmashmao”. A solution – I don’t have, but all the explaining of what Chazal meant will not help them, and by closing they are being maskim to Daas Balebatim that such a system cannot exist in Lakewood. The minute they reopen Bezras Hashem, they go back to the P’shutim.
Vouchers would not be issued “within an hour” of lining up at the public school doors, and probably not “within a year”. It requires state legislation; the Lakewood school district itself cannot legally do anything about the situation other than rapidly expand. And while this might be a big deal in Lakewood, New Jersey as a whole is much larger, and a state legislative solution would not come overnight, if ever. The probable outcome would be setting up trailers for classrooms and taking some existing private school buildings by the power of eminent domain for some of the students, and merely farming the rest of the students to various out-of-town school districts, all at the expense of a very substantial property tax increase. And when all is said and done, you lose the benefits of why you preferred private schooling for your child in the first place.
The best idea I’ve seen in the comments above is consolidation. I know from experience in another town that there can be significant economies of scale, and the non-union nature of the teachers (assuming they don’t organize) helps considerably. Also, the public school system is much more expensive to operate because it is burdened by very expensive legal obligations that private schools escape.
If I were a young parent desiring private education for my children, rather than an old codger, that is where I would be putting my efforts.
Obama bailed out the Insurance companies, The banks, The car companies now its time for Obama to bail out the Lakewood Mosdos.
Starting first with Bais Yaakov elementary, then with Yeshiva bais hatorah & now with this yeshive. there can only be one main reason why this is all happening:
these kind of things happening & people being Niftar at young ages or in strange ways R”L are all wake up call to klal yisroel & to the people of that town, that we only care about ourselves, but when it comes to helping/caring for another yid then i cannot help you.
with that being the case, each time tragedy strikes Hashem has the same question-for each person separately-now you have woken up, now you are crying at this baby’s levaya R”L but when we hear of someone else in tragic cases… we dont care. hashem then wants to know if we will wake up now to help others or do we need another tragic WAKE-UP call from hashem C”V to care for one another?
Please read this article from the Lakewood Scoop about the raising of almost $300,000 by the people of Lakewood for the defense of a person in Iowa.
https://thelakewoodscoop.com/2010/07/close-to-300000-raised-at-rubashkin-event.html#more-22326
If the town could raise that amount to defend him then it should be no trouble at all to raise money to provide schooling for their beloved children. After all, who is more dear to your heart – your children or Rubashkin, who you probably don’t know at all.
1. Public schools would never hire the Rebbeim and Moros.
2. Public funding of yeshivos is a pipe dream, unless you go the method I posted yesterday (on the Josh Pruzansky article)
3. There aren’t 50,000 frum school children in Lakewood
4. If “Emunah” means ignoring potential problems and then relying on the people who predicted them to bail you out, then yes- there is plenty of Emunah to go around. But as the saying goes, “G-d says, ‘Help yourself'”.
5. Homeschooling, or homeschool co-ops are a brilliant solution that is being overlooked. Many many men and women are trained to teach (not that public schools would count this as a qualification) – so let them teach! The Kollel men can learn with a group of boys in the mornings or bein hasdorim, and the women can teach in the afternoons. This won’t detract from anyone’s earning potential and will cost next to nothing. Get together with a group of friends and do it (even if your school hasn’t closed…. yet).
If you want your kids to have a frum Jewish education, then this is YOUR responsibility and YOUR priority. Sadly, it seems that in Lakewood and other places, actually paying for your kids school always seems to fall by the wayside, hoping someone else will pick up the bill. Yeshiva education IS expensive and there are ways that as a community we need to implement to reduce the cost (possibly having 1 big building rather than 10 small ones – but that will again cost more money!) but first you need to get your priorities straight:
If you want a frum Jewish education for your kids, then it is YOUR responsibility to pay for your kids education.
There are a few more schools that are going to join BYE, YBT, and YKT. This is only the beginning.
i hate to say this and i know i am sounding a bit negative but this is just the begging of some bad thing to come!!!!
If children realize what going on they will get turned off, and slowly turn to otherthing!!!
This should be every parents top priority…..
Though most of us would brush off the home schooling suggestion, I really think it is an option for some. I know quite a number of families where one parent is home most of the day. People could also think along the lines of the “merrygoround” playgroups, wherein one mother may teach a few kids English and then a different mother has the small group for math. There are frum people who do it. Chabad has virtual classrooms for homeschooling their kids around the world.
HOWEVER: Upon reading some of the comments here, it becomes obvious some parents are only semi-literate and have very poor writing a spelling skills. If you are in that group do not attempt to educate your child yourself.
On second thought the virtual classrooms might be a bit of a problem with the internet ban for schoolkids…..
Quote “Obama bailed out the Insurance companies, The banks, The car companies now its time for Obama to bail out the Lakewood Mosdos”
Ok Instead of posting serious solutions it appears there are some who still wish to push the financial burden on everyone else. This is not a solution , this country is in grave trouble with all the debt that congress has burdened on its citizens and future citizens for years down the road. Perhaps China can Help thats how insane this sugestion is
looks like a tsunami out there. hmmm, where have i heard that before?
Hey , thats a good idea!
what about a lakewood Bailout?
why is lakewood any worse then GM and the banks?
as a parent of a boy who has been in lakewood public high school,i would like to make a few comments. first of all, my son son attends lhs for special educational/vocational issues. he was born ten years too early to receive an adequate education that ultimetely help him to survive in the outside world. b’h,when the day ends so does his relationship with the school. those discussing the public schools as an option though have to know some realities…….MAINLY,ITS A VERY SCARY MILIEU!…there are gangs and the violence that goes w/these groups. my son last year witnessed one clasmate slashed w/a knife as well as the fights that are a common occurance. every hall has armed policeman w/walkie talkies supervising the students like a prison. and as for the superior education. my son was failing chemistry..his teacher had him go home..cut out articles on the gulf-oil spill and paste them on poster board. she gave him a “c” without him even reading the articles. mind you,not all his teachers are so flippant in their efforts to educate..but this is basically how he’s passing. you all must understand there is a new mentality with the “no child left behind” social-babble promoted by obama.this means there are no more special ed classes..its called inclusion.also,the “white flight” has resulted in new demographics,meaning the average student is from non-english speaking-illegal -alien parents. therefore,the educational bar had to be lowered to have these students function….i realize this may be oversimplified…but this is the reality i’ve observed. think twice,then think again!
I can tell you, as a homeschool support group leader in the Lakewood/Howell area, I have been contacted numerous times in the past by Jewish families looking for a Jewish homeschool support group. The interest is out there. Homeschooling is not so weird. Children used to be taught at home long before laws were created that required all children receive an education, public being the avenue the states created to fill that requirement. It’s acceptable in all 50 states although each state has its own set of rules. New Jersey happens to be one of the least intrusive. It’s perfect for those who choose to homeschool over public school because of religious reasons, which were mine. There are lots of ways to deal with 2 income families, multiple children/grade levels, or capabilities. I’ve seen it or have done it myself. I’d be more than happy to sit down with anyone who is interested in learning more about homeschooling.
listen here- grow up and get jobs ! learning is equally important as providing for your family. a jewish education is not an option it is a necessity as is food, you find money for that – right? the schools should lower the tuition or make a payment plan and everyone should get the $ and pay for their own child and stop mooching off everyone and everything. and if one more person whines about taxes! if you do not like the taxes move to Somalia do not believe there are taxes there! you like the luxuries of living in a clean, relatively safe and healthy environment but you do not want to pay, hey nothings free in life- grow up!!
Its a great idea to ban outside Meshulachim. Yeshivos are closing, we can not support a Bais HaTavshil in Kiryat Sefer, Tomche Shabbos of Yerushalayim or Vaad Harabonim of whatever. Toronto had such a rule in place for years. We shouyld definately implement it here, at least for certain months of the year. As for home schooling, I have to say, I think its a bad idea. I’m a social-skills therapist. As it is the social-skills level of many of our children is abysmal. No eye-contact, no situation-appropriate or age-appropriate responses, no nothing. You put more kids in homeschool, with just 4 or 5 friends, its gonna be even worse !! Another good idea would be for all of us, even the nushim tzidkuniyos, to have a little more kavanah by Boreich Alainu. If that doesn’t work, we should make a Yom T’fila. We do it for Gashmiyus Problems so certainly for Ruchniyos Problems we should.
pft…if I had a dollar for every time the socialization issue came up and every time I had to explain the misconception I could actually afford to live in NJ 🙂
shop at COSTCO for your basic Kosher stuff.
To 42 , 52 , 74 , Stop telling people to go out and get a job , although you may be lucky enough to have a decent paying job its not so easy to find one in this market . There are plenty of people who would love a decent paying one . just think of an average starting salary take off rent/mortgage ,tax ,medical insurace , car care, car insurance , kosher food , clothes ect ect there ain’t nothin left . Do i know the answer no i have no clue, but to tell people to go get a job , unless ur hiring is not right.
christine, nice idea. however, how would u deal with recess? no basketball games, no yards 2 run around in, not enough people 2 play games with. what about dicipline issues, who do u send them 2? what about meals? what about people who need resource room? just 2 name a few of the issues with homeschooling…
Its a great idea to ban outside Meshulachim. Yeshivos are closing, we can not support a Bais HaTavshil in Kiryat Sefer, Tomche Shabbos of Yerushalayim or Vaad Harabonim of whatever….. Toronto had such a rule in place for years.
And Sedom had it for even longer…
Of course once we implement no giving to outside Mosdos we will then hear that grievances on local mosdos are preventing people from giving to them also…
Yeshiva guy, you are right, if you are making an effort and you are still struggling then you are right. I was referring to people that are not even looking for jobs and just kvetching
to #79:
Recess happens in your own home. Don’t you send your kids out for a while to run off some energy? I think what you are really asking is about the phys-ed requirement. Homeschoolers I know have generally taken advantage of programs at the YMCA (there is a swim and gym program), enrolled their kids in karate, organized park days, even set up basketball hoops in their driveways. From what I remember of my childrens’ brief private school days, gym is only 1/2 hour to 45 minutes once a week at the elementary level, daily in high school. Two days a week of 1 & 1/2 hour karate class comes out to about the same thing. That’s what I used. I know of other parents that use pilates or other video workout program.
Gym should be the least of your worries though. Instead you should be asking about academics.
You ask who disciplines them? Who disciplines the children in the home now?
Meals? Who feeds them their breakfast and dinner now?
Those things don’t change just because the parent is now teaching math facts in addition to teaching them how to tie their shoes.
I’m not sure what you mean by resource room.
Considering there were roughly 2 million homeschooled kids as of a 2002 survey, and indicators show that number has greatly increased, I think most issues have been resolved.
Other issues that may cross your mind:
It is true that homeschoolers don’t hang around with as many kids during the day as their public or private school counterparts, but that is not why one sends one’s child to school. We all know that kids will be kids and even in a “controlled” environment they are bound to pick up bad habits and behaviors from others. The only way to ensure your child maintains your own family’s values and goals is to teach them at home.
Homeschoolers have an advantage over classroom-schooled children because learning happens at each child’s individual pace. I don’t think I ever spent more than 4 or 5 hours a day teaching my children and they were always ahead of their schooled peers. If you conduct your learning at home in such a way as to teach the children how to eventually be self-taught rather than spoon fed, by the time they reach the high school years, you are basically a mentor.
If you must farm out certain subjects, resources are available, or you can co-op.
Larger families would have difficulty jumping into homeschooling all at once, but it’s not impossible. You could bring one child home at a time. Eventually, older children help with the younger ones. It truly is a whole family endeavor.
I don’t think I’ve ever spent more than $1000 on a year’s worth of curriculum and books (I’ve only just been hitting that number at the high school level) and with multiple children, you use it over the course of many years. It really is cost effective. Right now the mainstream homeschool market is geared towards Christians, but imagine the possibilities of a new market geared towards the Jewish religion! Someone should take advantage of that and provide that ministry to your community.
Homeschooling is indeed a change in lifestyle, but I really see the benefits being much stronger than the disadvantages, especially in today’s economy and societal atmosphere.
I am a parent of 4 and I have a job its not a decent paying paying job,but its a JOB so my kids can eat and I can pay my bills.You complain abot how much you pay in taxes,How can you pay taxes with no income.
Thanks Cristyne for bringing up the idea . Home schooling sounds great , then you will not have a problem of kids who didn’t get into schools . I do know frum people who home schooling their kids , not because they didn’t get into any school but because they think its better for their kids . Are there any home schooling agencies that can help organizing it ?
Can anyone explain me how the school runs out of money ? Are parents not paying their tuition or the tuition that the school charges is not enough to cover costs (or both) ??
I think you may have missed my last submission. Or, I can revise it if it’s a problem.